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Cylinder sleeve/ liner replacement

Discussion in '348/355' started by RCKSTR, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. RCKSTR

    RCKSTR Karting

    Good evening gents,

    Theres a chance I may need to replace a liner on cyl 7, I will be dropping the motor myself and pulling the head for proper inspection. If the liner does need to be changed, do I need to strip it to the bare block and off to the machinist or is there an alternative? I did find a used color matched piston rod and sleeve.

    Cheers
     
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  3. yelcab

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    You need to make a tool that fits at the bottom of the liner and then use a slide hammer to pull it out the top. Needless to say, the piston has to come out first. Do replace the rings and the rod bolts.
     
  4. Cauf61

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    Don't forget to heat the block if you can and shrink the sleeve ( in the freezer) when assembling.
    100% use new rod bolts !!! Normally no need to remove the crank.
     
  5. RCKSTR

    RCKSTR Karting

    New rings and bolts, no prob!

    Great, thanks guys!
     
  6. jjtjr

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    Why is it that you feel you may need to replace the liner?
     
  7. RCKSTR

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    Zero compression on the cyl. I'm sure I'm going to find a bent valve or two. Piston edge looks damaged using endoscope
     
  8. Ferrarium

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    good on the scope as initial diagnostic. Hope it turns out amazing.
    Just curious though, Any idea how it happened?
     
  9. kenneyd

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    Argeed, I would want to know if there was a issue that caused this, such as a clogged injector that caused a lean condition in that cylinder etc
     
  10. RCKSTR

    RCKSTR Karting

    Will update as soon as the motor is out and I have the head off
     
  11. Mitch Alsup

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    Why are you assuming only one liner has bitten the dust?
     
  12. RCKSTR

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    210 compression and no leak down on other 7
     
  13. SoCal1

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  14. RCKSTR

    RCKSTR Karting

    I do have a slide hammer, once I get the piston out I will build an attachment to remove the sleeve
     
  15. RCKSTR

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  16. johnk...

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    You should do a leak down on the block.
     
  17. RCKSTR

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    That's a great idea, guess I'm building a plate next ;)
     
  18. yelcab

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    Burnt exhaust valve. Seen it before. Good luck.
     
  19. yelcab

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    Burnt exhaust valve. Seen it before. Good luck.
     
  20. yelcab

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    Burnt exhaust valve. Seen it before. Good luck.
     
  21. yelcab

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    Burnt exhaust valve. Seen it before. Good luck.
     
  22. yelcab

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    Burnt exhaust valve. Seen it before. Good luck.
     
  23. yelcab

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    Burnt exhaust valve. Seen it before.
     
  24. RCKSTR

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    Caused by bad injector? There is no indication of any piece coming in contact with the piston
     
  25. emac

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    Has anyone seen a burnt exhaust valve before?
     
  26. yelcab

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    This is what happens: Your cylinder was running rich for a variety of reasons (grandma drives it, bad header, bad tunes, bad injector) and there is excessive carbon build up on the valve face. It never comes into contact with the valve seat 100% and therefore cannot dissipate all of its heat into the block. Eventually it burns up, melts away, and you have zero compression. In the process, the liner is worn out, the rings are gone and you maybe lucky if you can save the piston.
     

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